Central Florida Short Sales: Bank of America Short Sales Require More Than Just Waiting Around.

Bank of America Short Sales Require More Than Just Waiting Around.

Pissed off Broker BI have a Short Sale with Bank of America that I have been working on for a very long time. In fact we are on our 4th Buyer. This Buyer has been under contract since August and has been very patient. I won't bore you with the details but just suffice it to say that today was the day I needed to get some answers. So I fired off this email to a whole bunch of people in high places.

To who it may concern,

Bank of America's lack of response to this short sale is disheartening to say the least. My seller has been jumping through hoops for over a year trying to work something out with your bank. We now have the FOURTH buyer that is willing and able to close on this property at market value yet your bank has now closed the file for "Insufficient offer".

The call center states the file was closed on 4 February even though I have emails from X on the 17th of February stating it was still at the Investors. Was she lying? Or just out of the loop? In fact a new BPO was ordered and done on February 5th.

Back in November I had a long email thread with L who had asked the buyer to raise the contract price from $65,000 to $67,500. They did.  She then asked the seller to contribute $2,700 in cash. He agreed. We thought at this time that we were close to getting an approval. 

The transaction went dead until I heard from L on 12-21-09 telling me the file had been switched over to X

At this time I started trying get an update from X. I was told by her on 2-1-10 that the file was with the investor and had been submitted on 1-8-10. I was again told by her on 2-17-10 that it was still with the investor.

On 3-5-10 the call center told me the file was approved by Freddie Mac on 3-3-10 and that I should be getting the letter at any time. I called back in on 3-09-10 and was told the file was closed. Since then I have sent numerous emails to X and a couple of emails to her supervisor and have not received a response from either. I have also left several messages on X's voice mail that have not  been returned.

Today I am filing a complaint with the OCC and the BBB. Of course I'm sure you have a very long list of complaints so one more probably means nothing to you. 

I have been working short sales for several years and understand the frustrations on all sides of the transaction. What I don't understand is the complete lack of communication on this file. If you are not going to approve the short sale then tell us so. Ignoring us is just wasting our time.

I am the co-owner and founder of a network of Short Sale agents throughout the country called www.ShortSaleSuperStars.com  From what I have read on our site, agents and consumers everywhere are pissed off with your complete incompetence. But that's an issue for a media interview and has nothing to do with this email.

So back on topic. What can I do to HELP you get this file approved and off your desk? THE END

I received a response in 15 minutes and should have my approval tomorrow. Life is good. If you are facing foreclsoure please give ma a call. I may be bale to help.

 

Do NOT be foreclosed on! Avoid foreclosure. Short Sales DO close.

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Comments

Congrats on the eventual success - shame you had to go to those lengths to get attention.

Posted by Drick Ward (EXiT REALTY CENTRAL) almost 2 years ago

I have a short sale with Bank of America and the same has been done to our file; I guess it is time to take another plan. Thanks for your post.

Posted by Pat Champion (Coldwell Banker Camelot Realty) almost 2 years ago

Short sales with Bank of America?  It would be interesting to hear how they respond.  I have been shying away from short sales because it just has so many obstacles in it's path.  I'm looking forward to banks streamlining to make this process move along better.  Please post the response.  Thanks

Posted by Frank Castaldini (Coldwell Banker DRE#01436605) almost 2 years ago

Reserved for TLW

Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc almost 2 years ago

Frank, Not only have they responded but I have a direct line to a new experienced negotiator and we are sorting out the final details right now.

I received calls from 4 BofA people since I sent this email.

There was actually a buyer on our website at www.ShortSaleSuperStars.com that inspired me to take this route and it worked. Of course I wouldn't do it on every file. Just as a last resort.

Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc almost 2 years ago

BB - God bless you for your patience and persistence....and your bad-assness when warranted!  Keep us posted!!

Posted by Coleen DeGroff - Haile Plantation Real Estate - Gainesville FL - (Seide Realty) almost 2 years ago

Ugh!  So glad that you were able to get their attention.....sounds like a good ending to a long and drawn out ordeal.  About time, huh?

Posted by Ann Allen CDPE SRES ASP e-PRO REALTOR® ~ Hoover AL Homes for Sale (RE/MAX Advantage South) almost 2 years ago

BB - wow - great email that you sent and I am glad they responded. It can so frustrating, but I am glad you got a response.

Posted by Sharon Paxson Newport Beach Real Estate (Prudential California Realty, DRE License 01501912) almost 2 years ago

Should?  I need to stay tuned for the outcome on this one.  Shame it came to this, but you were representing your client and gettin the job done.

Posted by Debra Earl -> Northern Virginia Real Estate (Keller Williams - The Earl of Real Estate Team) almost 2 years ago

Bryant - But you are good!  I am not just saying that because I am co-founder of www.ShortSaleSuperstars.com :)

Posted by Wendy Rulnick "Its Wendy!" Destin Florida Short Sales (Rulnick Realty, Inc.) almost 2 years ago

The BBB?

Bryant,

The BBB has no value unless the member cares! Do you really think B of A cares what people think?

Bill

Posted by William J Archambault Jr (The Real Estate Investment Institute ) almost 2 years ago

Hi BB - With Bank of America one thing I have experienced is that just when I get going with one negotiator and send what they ask for, it turns out that I have a new negotiator and the one doesn't forward stuff to the next or something, but at least a new negotiator usually means that the file is moving along toward eventual approval. 

Most of this has been fixed with Equator, since the uploaded docs stay with the file, but when you have to email something, that can be a different story, since the previous negotiator gets it instead of the new one.  I'm glad it looks like your file is nearing approval anyway.

Posted by Susan Neal, Fair Oaks CA Real Estate Broker, CA DRE#686562 (Century 21 Noel David Realty) almost 2 years ago

This confirms my practice of not communicating with anyone in a real estate transaction by phone. 

Letter, fax, e-mail, sometime one, two or all three is how to get action.

Lovely.

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker, Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) almost 2 years ago

Not sure which part they took notice off to get off dead center . but the media interview slip could have been the tipping point?

Posted by Steve Loynd, Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., Loon Mt, NH. almost 2 years ago

Wow. I still can't believe you have the patience for that. I get snippy when I have to wait on the phone for just a few minutes!

Posted by Lisa Hill (Daytona Beach Real Estate) (Florida Property Experts) almost 2 years ago

Good work. It makes me boil when the banks can only see $$ and hurt families and children by their incompetence. 

Posted by Steve Kappre | NMLS# 217008 NJ Mortgage Loan Officer | 856-419-3561 (Treasury Mortgage | Mortgage Company - New Jersey) almost 2 years ago

Bryant - Good for you!!  Like Frank, I've been shying from short sales because of a bad experience and they've been just such a pain to deal with.  Thankfully, there is plenty of inventory in the south Florida area that I'n able to do this. 

Posted by Elyse Berman, PA, ABR,GRI, e-PRO (Realty Associates Florida Properties, Boca Raton, FL) almost 2 years ago

Broker Bryant, that letter is pure GENIUS.  As a member of your Short Sale Superstars, might you be generous enough to allow us to, "ahem," borrow it?  (don't let Lenn read that!).  Of course, I would change the details to match my own failed short sale-du-jour lol

Actually, I've closed every single short sale I've ever done, except the one with, drum roll please, BANK OF AMERICA.  Of course.

Posted by Pinecrest | Palmetto Bay | Maggie Dokic, SFR (Keller Williams Realty Premier Properties) almost 2 years ago

Hi Bryant... WAY TO GO!!!  I continued to be so impressed with your tenacity and efforts on behalf of your clients!

Posted by Steve Shatsky - Dallas Real Estate & Short Sale Specialist (214)213-0340 (Prudential Texas Properties) almost 2 years ago

Well done Bryant.  It's a shame that we have to rely to such extremes to just get an answer or some movement from these folks. 

Posted by Gabe Sanders, Stuart Florida Real Estate (Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales) almost 2 years ago

Sometimes getting your problem in front of the right person is all it takes. But, you are right, B of A does have a problem and if they think these problems are going to go away, they are dead wrong. I have a feeling cases like this are exactly why the government will eventually step in. If B of A thought we hounded them, wait until they see what the government will do.

Posted by George & Arlene Paukert (Road to Wealth, Inc.) almost 2 years ago

BB, choke another snafu up for Bank of America.

Are they totally incompetent over there?

I am under contract with a foreclosed home with BofA and it is going  really well.

Not so much with Short Sales.

Posted by Missy Caulk-Ann Arbor-Realtor® Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams-Ann Arbor) almost 2 years ago

Hello Bryant!!  I'm with you on these BofA files!  Unbelievable!  Hopefully this one goes through for you! 

Posted by Stephen Arnold ~ CRS,GRI,SFR (HomeSmart International) almost 2 years ago

Hi guys. You know I have actually had approvals and closing on ALL of my BofA short sales. While they are extreme;y slow I really have no major issues with them. I have the right expectations. I'm all about finding solutions and getting deals closed.

I have spoken to many folks at BofA and the main issue is they are just swamped. Did you know they have close to 1,000,000 files they are working on?

The issue with this deal was there is lender placed MI on the 2nd and it's a Freddie Mac loan on the 1st.

So there are 3 entities to deal with. Freddie (1st), private investors (2nd) and MI (2nd). The negotiator that was handling it was confused with the counter we received from MI and instead of trying to get her facts straight closed the file even though it was already approved by Freddie.

I now have direct contact with an awesome senior negotiator and we are working towards making the MI company happy. They are the only hold up.

It just shows that these deals can be worked out as long as all parties involved are communicating.

The seller had to update some info yesterday and hopefully we'll have written approval early next week.

Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc almost 2 years ago

As TLW so aptly puts it, "You wreck me baby". I have one eerily similar. We started in August, and on our fourth buyer, and had to get it removed from sheriff sale once.

Posted by Joe Pryor.com REALTOR® Oklahoma Investment Properties (Redbud Realty) almost 2 years ago

The casualty of large monolithic organizations is an accountable individual. Good for you for finding someone who could make a difference. 

Posted by J. Philip Faranda (J. Philip R.E. LLC) Westchester County NY almost 2 years ago

Great letter that got their attention. But, why do we have to go to these lengths in the first place? It's like BOA is waiting for that pot of gold that ain't coming! Market value is market value.

Posted by Jackie Connelly-Fornuff Century 21 AA Lindenhurst NY Real Estate (Lindenhurst Babylon West Babylon N. Babylon West Islip Islip) almost 2 years ago

The squeaky wheel usually gets the grease, at least your buyer has a Realtor who wont quit on them! I have heard these short sales are a pain in the A _ _ for the very reasons you stipulate.

Congrats on getting it done and getting the person who can make decisions on your side!

 

Posted by Mary Thompson Lake Lanier Appraiser in Georgia (LakeFrontPros.com) almost 2 years ago

Me too!  Bank of America has us waiting since 1-18-10 (2nd well qualified buyer).  We have received approval from the SECOND mortgage already.  2 BPO's were done.  This buyer offered more than the asking price, offered a nice down payment, has a mortgage commitment from a lender... I don't understand the hold up. I'm the buyers agent in this transaction.  The listing agent is very hard to get a hold of... so I was beginning to think it was lack of communication on her end with the bank.  But I've been reading a lot of complaints from everyone about Bank of America... so maybe it's both.

Congratulations on sending that letter and getting them off their butts.

~ Vienna

Posted by Vienna Bello, GRI, SFR, Realtor Assoc, Notary Public (Liberty Realty, LLC) almost 2 years ago

Admirable patience. Gotta be an easier way to make a living than Short Sales. I know they make up a significant % of our market these days but it's just ridiculous. How bout REALTORS go on strike against Bank of America? What would happen then?

Posted by Daniel J. Hansmeier almost 2 years ago

I filed a complaint with the OCC, the BBB and the FDIC and copied in all bigwigs...I wish I could say this tactic helped - but I got a near zero response from my executive level negotiator because it is with "the investors". Here is what she said:

"I understand your frustration and apologize for the length of time the process has taken, however at this point the file has been submitted to the investor and we are waiting for them to review the file and render a decision.  This particular investor's turnaround time can take anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks."

You must have better investors than I do. We are at their mercy at this point.

Posted by Dawn Maloney 330-990-4236 Hudson Stow Cuyahoga Falls Silver Lake (RE/MAX Haven - Northeast Ohio Real Estate Specialist) almost 2 years ago

Hi Bryant ~ I'm glad your post has a happy ending.

I was at a presentation this week where an especially flown in for the occasion presenter from BofA walked any realtors that were interested in listening through the problems they're having dealing with short sales. He admitted BofA had problems adjusting to the huge amount of short sales that they have to deal with, but they are working on it. You're right, communication is key to solving the issues. (It always is).

A side note: This presenter also rolled out Equator for us to check out. Do you have any experience with that? Is it just a good idea that's not getting off the ground? Or could it really help long term?

Denise

Posted by Denise Hamlin, 319-400-0268 - Iowa City Real Estate & Relocation Services (Cardinal Realty - Locally Owned Real Estate Company) almost 2 years ago

Well done BB!  If I was the seller of a short sale, I'd want an agent with as much tenacity as you have in my court.   A guy in my office has similar luck going right to the top with one of his deals that he's been working for 7 months.   They got an approval the next day!  This tactic seems to work.

Posted by Lonni McDonough ~ Realtor® Eagle, ID Real Estate | 208-949-3845 (Coldwell Banker Tomlinson Group ) almost 2 years ago

Thanks for an interesting post. So many buyers want the "deal" of a short sale but it is difficult to communicate the struggle they may be - frustrating for all. Hope your deal is resolved soon.

Posted by Janet Rushford almost 2 years ago

BB,

There is just a huge disconnect between lenders and Real Estate Brokers. Somehow and somewhere down the line the chain was broken. Perhaps it never really existed in the first place. You would think that the two enterprises would have much stronger ties and communication given the business that they are both in.

I am sure that it is not a one way street. Over the years I have had the displeasure of working with some very incompetent agents. Yet I do not choose to throw the Baby out with the bath water after a few isolated incidents.

Lenders have always been notorious in there approach to Real Estate Transactions. It is almost as if they feel that their company alone is doing it right and that everyone else is wrong. That is probably where the problem lies.

Posted by Downtown Portland Real Estate Broker~Herb Hamilton,CDPE (RE/MAX Preferred Inc. Realtors) almost 2 years ago

I'm glad to see that this deal will close soon.  What patience these buyers must have.  I wonder though why BofA doesn't try to add more "temporary" processors to get through the rubble.  If they truly want to get real estate off these books, can't they find enough qualifed, unemployed folks who would love to work - if even temporary?

Posted by Evelyn Zebro - Asheville NC Real Estate Broker (Beverly-Hanks & Associates) almost 2 years ago

Bryant, thank goodness for the final approval...Its about time!  I love the shirt, where can I get one..lol

Posted by Jennifer K Giraldi, Atlanta REALTOR® Atlanta Real Estate Expert (Solid Source Realty Atlanta) almost 2 years ago

I didn't even have to think twice about which bank you were talking about! BofA, heavy on the 'F'.  Great job on that letter to the right places.  You should spread those email addresses around.

Posted by Lyn Sims - Schaumburg Homes (Schaumburg Real Estate - Northwest Suburbs - RE/MAX Suburban) almost 2 years ago

Bank of America seems to be not worth the hassle so good for you that after all that time you are able to make it work, however this is not always the case.  Most of the problems always seem to be with BofA so I just see any reason to deal with them when there are many others willing to step up and be more helpful.

Posted by Russell Benson (Prudential Alliance Realty-OKC, OK) almost 2 years ago

Bryant, congratulations on shaking up the tree until some fruit fell out!

Posted by Brian Schulman - Your Lancaster County, PA Real Estate Expert (Coldwell Banker Select Professionals, Lancaster PA) almost 2 years ago

My guess is that with that price, you're making about $1 an hour.  You should contact the state to file a complaint with BofA for not recieving min. wage.

Posted by Geoff ONeill (John L. Scott Medford) almost 2 years ago

Way to go Bryant.  Persistency paid off.

Posted by Mortgage 1st Realty - Randy.Schulenburg@gmail.com almost 2 years ago

We've experienced the Bank of America arrogance...  It is no longer a San Francisco company that A.P. Giannini founded. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America

It is a nonolithic bank now.  A friend of mine went recently attended a conference on short sales, he commented on how the head of the short sale center was an arrogant individual.  Surprise, surprise, suprise... Corporate culture is influenced from the top down.  

My personal favorites are: Chase (quick fax processing), SunTrust (straight-up negotiators), Wells Fargo (straight-up negotiators.)  BofA is at the bottom of my list...

Keep up the good work.  I'm working on my seventh short sale and each one has had it's challenges and each one feels like a huge victory for my clients.  Especially my sellers when we get our 'forgiveness of debt' letter instead of a 'deficiency judgement'.  

 

Posted by Michael Ackerman (DRE# 01232037) (Zephyr Real Estate) almost 2 years ago

Hey Bryant, I know the time you put into Short Sale negotiation with BofA and many others, so thanks for sharing this experience.  I have one that I have received the same response being a Taylor, Bean & Whitaker original that was purchased by BofA.  We just passed our one year anniversary.  I will follow your lead and use the same strategy in trying to get final approval.  Having so internal insight is helpful!  Keep up the good work!  Barb

Posted by Barb Merrill GRI, Associate Broker (Cactus Mountain Properties, LLC) almost 2 years ago

Wow, congrats on finally getting some attention! I must say that I'm amazed anyone actually read your e-mail though!

Posted by Gabrielle Nemes, SFR, SRS, GRI Auburn, WA (RE/MAX Select R.E.) almost 2 years ago

currently representing a buyer on a BOA short sale.  After JUST two months, BOA sent an approval yesterday.  Looks like this thing will actually close.

Posted by Greg and Beth Hostetter - Rochester Minnesota (REMAX of Rochester) almost 2 years ago

Thank you for saying something! We all agree B of A takes forever, but with everyone's help they are getting better! We just had one approved in 8 weeks with them and my listing recieved short sale approval in 3 1/2 months! We all have to work together and make our voices heard to get them to cooperate with us. Thanks you so much for all your hard work ,it's people like yourself who stand up and say something that makes life easier for the rest of us!!

Posted by Anonymous almost 2 years ago

Had a BoA approval come in this week.  However until we walk away from the settlement table and the deed has been recorded I'm not going to believe that something else will go wrong.  You just have to keep plugging and wonder even with all the volume why it has to be so difficult to get anyone to respond.

Posted by Cindy Jones-Northern Virginia Real Estate & Military Relocation Services (CJ Realty Group, Inc.) almost 2 years ago

Bryant, keep up your tenacity. I like your creativity.

It still amazes me that often times the real estate agent has more expertiese than the the loss mitigation person at the banks, and then we must drive the transaction by asking the right questions, propsing alternative solutions, and staying on top of things to ensure progress.

Maybe because we are face to face with a concerned homeowner is one of the reasons we push on, and care. It seems that to the banks it's just numbers in a file. Real lives are impacted by these transactions. It'd be nice if some empathy was shown. Short sales are not traditional real estate transactions.

Posted by Mike Miguelez (Keller Williams Realty - DTC) almost 2 years ago

We learn on day one of real estate to take down notes of what you did and to whom you did it. I'm sure you ability to lay it all out for some executive in that format resulted in your success. I like to write mine on the file jacket.

Posted by Gregory Bain (Mezzina Real Estate & Insurance) almost 2 years ago

BB:

Why on earth is the seller putting money in the deal? We need to stop letting the banks push us around on these things!

Posted by Agent Aaron | Short Sale Specialist | 512-845-4204 | (Austin Texas Homes, LLC / ShortSteps) almost 2 years ago

Were is the accountability? Countrywide and BofA make bad loans/high risk loans. Countrywide goes under (stock holders loose) BofA gets bailed out by Government ... BofA buys Countrywide through the process and its bad loans making a collection of a bunch of bad loans. Now BofA is allowed to continue its bad behavior. Less than 6 degrees of seperation for everyone that has been affected by a bad BofA decission.

Posted by Scott Lewis REALTOR, e-Pro,CIA,IMSD,GRI & CNE (Keller Williams Realty) almost 2 years ago
We have had some good success using www.equator.com with BofA to get timely responses of late. It is a welcome relief! Janet Fetterman, Broker Associate/Owner Concord Real Estate
Posted by Concord Real Estate almost 2 years ago

Bryant, I LOVE your typo:  "I may be bale to help."

YES -- if there's one person that can BALE someone out, you're the guy (and your network) to do it!!   :-)

Posted by Carla Muss-Jacobs - Exclusive Buyers Agent Portland | Portland Real Estate | (503-810-7192 | BuyersAgentPortland.com) almost 2 years ago

BB - Love it. Diplomatic but truthful, The real questions? Will they really approve it? It's tomorrow. What's up?

I did see a post by Elizabeth Weintraub who had gotten a BOA approval in 24 days. Incredible.

Jeff

Posted by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Homes for Sale ~ 760-840-1360 (Solutions Real Estate (CA DRE Lic. # 01490977)) almost 2 years ago

Bryant, great job by you! I'm so glad it rendered some response and ACTION! I must ask, "where did you send it?"

Posted by Don Wixom (RE/MAX Advantage Nampa, ID) almost 2 years ago

Of all the banks I've dealt with for short sales, BofA is the most frustrating.  It looks like Equator may make some difference, but the jury is still out.

Posted by Christine Donovan Costa Mesa CA Homes Broker/Attorney 800-610-7253 DRE01267479 (Donovan Blatt Team - Donovan Group Realty) almost 2 years ago

Bryant,

I have resorted to this tactic in the past and it has worked. As you said, though, it's not always the right course of action...there are specific situations where it is most applicable, usually when the file has been repeatedly dropped or transferred.  It's amazing what a bank can accomplish in a very short time if presented with the proper motivation, isn't it?! 

Keep on representin'!

Tiffany

Posted by Tiffany Osterli (The Dream Team | RE/MAX Gold) almost 2 years ago

Bryant - it takes lots of tenancity and strength to get some of these deals through.  I have a few with BofA that have gone on 6 months now...hoping I don't need another 6 months to get them done!  It does seem like on a couple everytime we seem to be getting close, something happens.  I feel as though we are getting further with the Equator system though.

Posted by Lori Mode and Bruce Durham 916-230-0371 DRE License #00935148 and #00875356 (Keller Williams Realty - Elk Grove, CA Homes for Sale) almost 2 years ago

Well, Welcome to my world- I would say your rapid response; or actually any response at all is because of your company affiliation and maybe, just maybe, they don't want REALTORS everywhere to hear about BofA and their total ineptness on short sales.  I have had a deal in since December 2008. First buyer hung on until October, file process just as you listed above; here today, gone tomorrow and start all over with another negotiator. Brought new buyer approved file end of Nov 2009 (although I was never notified of the approval) buyer brought out their contractor and discovered a past cracked slab issue that was thought to be repaired in 05 was not done correctly and/or new movement had taken place. I notified BofA with photos and explanation and asked for approval to lower price for new buyer to be found- No response, until the file passed thru 3 more people and was finally 'closed' because the approved offer was not completed... and again, remember I was never notified of any approval!

So we start all over, two months into the process and I get 'stories' everytime I call in- finally get frustrated and start asking for details of their 'escalation' requests and BPO orders.. like when, who, what.. after being put on hold four times with the short sale support line the guy realizes he can't BS me to get off the phone and have to deal with someone else next time I call.. He finally admits that the file actually will have to be started all over in the Equator system because all files that are not in Equator are going to be deleted in the system in two days!!  And might I say that Chase can sometimes be worse..

Posted by Debbie Espinoza GRI, Broker, ABR ePro, SFR, CNE (Stage Presence Homes, San Diego Real Estate) almost 2 years ago

Unresponsive short-sale lenders are costing everyone involved a lot of money, not to mention heartache, wasted time & effort. By the time they respond, in many cases the buyers have moved on. This means all of their efforts and those of their realtors is for nothing.

Why can't they just give us an up or down vote? Buyers shouldn't have to wait 4-6 months only to learn that they aren't getting the property.

Lenders claim they don't have the staff to handle the load - so why don't they hire more people? In this economy the jobs would certainly be welcome and if they can sell more properties instead of having to foreclose, they'll be money ahead.

Chase delayed responding on a good offer for over 2 months at which time the buyer went elsewhere. Then the seller decided to try for a Deed In Lieu. I terminated the listing and wished them the best.

Shortly afterwards I get a call from a realtor wanting access to the property to do a BPO. They say Chase told them to contact me. I told him that I no longer had the listing and couldn't provide access. In the next month this scenario was repeated with 3 other realtors.

Finally, I got a voice message from someone at Chase leaving a long list of all the things they wanted me to do before they would grant a DIL. If he or any of the realtors had checked MLS they'd have known that I no longer held the listing. Since my business is selling real estate there's no reason for me to be involved in the DIL process, so I wonder why Chase thought I should be their errand boy for getting this done...

I called and left that person a voice message (They NEVER answer their phones or return calls), telling him that I am a realtor and no longer hold the listing. I never heard back from him. Time will tell whether I continue to receive access requests from realtors trying to do BPO's.

 

Posted by Bob Krus (Keller Williams Foothills Realty) almost 2 years ago

Hi BB,

My last one with Bof A took 18 months with them. I went the same route. The problem the first time was all the emails to higher ups were worthless because at that time they had all quit and left the files in the desk draws. I probably know who everyone of those letter are:)

We finally did close after 3 buyers walked.

Posted by Neal Bloom-Realtor ®CRS-Weston FL Real Estate (Keller Williams Properties, Weston FL) almost 2 years ago

Blog Boy...

I think you should wipe that grin off your face and give me back my tee shirt :)

TLW...ROAR!

Posted by "The Lovely Wife" (Broker Bryant's Wife) The One And Only TLW. (President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) almost 2 years ago

Wow, good stuff.  Thank goodness going to the top still works.  Good job Bryant.

Posted by Alana Turk (Re/Max Associates Athens) almost 2 years ago

Bryant,

Great work and your patience to stay with it!!! Not sure I could have done the waiting that long.  You're absolutely right . . . Bof A is the worst.  They still haven't got a clue and always have a million and one excuses why they can't respond or won't respond.  Keep the faith.

 

Mary Mastro, Keller williams--Sarasota, FL

 

Posted by Mary Mastro, PA, SFR, TRC, SRES (Keller Williams Realty) almost 2 years ago

I heard recently on the radio that Bank Of America...BOA is referred to as BOA-constrictor...because they squeeze the life out of you with every interaction you have with them.  They are a frustrating crew for sure!

Posted by Jeani T. Richie Broker CanyonCasa.com Real Estate almost 2 years ago

I have a great amount of respect for your professionalism and knowledge regarding the short sale/foreclosure process and having gone through the S&L Crisis foreclosure mess back in the late 80's early 90's can honestly say I know something about dealing with the bureaucratic bumbling and lack of integrity on behalf of banks. Back then BOA was still screwing things up under the name NCNB or as people who had the misfortune trying to deal with them referred to as "Nobody Cares National Bank".

By coincidence I too have been working on a short sale (thankfully very rare in Austin) with BOA since 11-2009. Besides "Bank of America Short Sales Requiring More Than Just Waiting Around" they just added a new wrinkle last week by reducing the commission by a full % but approving the sale (again) and extending the closing another three months.And though unethical, it does not really matter to a huge institution who operates under their own rules!

 I know that you and many honest hardworking agents struggle daily with trying to explain the actions of a bank to the buyers and sellers trapped in this surreal and mind numbing dilemma and the fact is that no matter how hard you work a banks actions make the real estate profession look bad. BOA wonders why they have such a despicablele reputation and why everyone has such a poor opinion of them?

Bend Over America

Posted by Russell Lewis, Broker,CLHMS,GRI (Realty Austin, Austin Texas Real Estate) almost 2 years ago

Broker Bryant, you say that "we are on our 4th Buyer".  This is a very common scenario with short sales and it illustrates the reason WHY a short sale is a "distressed" product and not a "retail" product.  Quite simply, retail buyers want RETAIL property.  They prefer, they demand, traditional equity sales.  That is why I am now specializing in working with investors, good solid cash buyers who actually stay for the whole transaction, pay costs that most buyers won't pay, and help the homeowner avoid foreclosure by actually closing!!

BTW, I got your email today and really enjoyed your new Short Sale Superstars ning site!!  Great job. 

Posted by California Coast & Country Homes, Inc. almost 2 years ago

Hi Bryant -- So was it the letter that got them motivated? Your prominence by using the network of short sale stars and the media reference, or ?  Regardless, I'm glad.  So well written.  Perhaps you should put this photo in it as well, it might make them laugh but also have an effect.

Posted by Chris Olsen Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate (Olsen Ziegler Realty) almost 2 years ago

Love the BOA comment! After 8 months and 3 buyers, BOA decided to foreclose on my seller. How can they call themselves Bank of "America"? They don't give a hoot

Posted by Barb Fischer (RD Brown Real Estate) almost 2 years ago

Brian...you definitely are the one to call with short sale problems.  WOW what patience...congratulations !!!

Posted by Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor WV Real Estate in Greenbrier County (Coldwell Banker Stuart & Watts Real Estate) almost 2 years ago

Evening BB,  Interesting thread.  Too bad it takes this sort of " in your face " communication to get even basic levels of service.   Well done.

Posted by Bill Gillhespy Fort Myers Beach Realtor Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos (16 Sunview Blvd) almost 2 years ago

"But that's an issue for a media interview"...maybe that's why we have absolutely no problem with BofA....and all this time I thought it was my superior negotiation skills!

By the way, I don't know Regina (comment 69 above) but she deserves a big hug! A realtor who gets it! Could use 10 more like her down here in South Florida. That's EXACTLY the mentality to get these deals done and to make some serious cash!!

Posted by Real Estate Investing |Real Estate Investment (| Real Estate Radio USA) almost 2 years ago

Bryant - Go treat yourself and TLW to a nice dinner and bottle of wine to celebrate.  You deserve it.  Persistence does pay....or so it would seem. 

Posted by Laraine Shape (Comey & Shepherd Realtors) almost 2 years ago

Bryant - great on you!!!  I just got my SFR designation and am eagerly soaking up all advice and info about short sales do's and don'ts that I can get my hands on...I will check out your website for sure.  Thanks for posting this and congrats on your hard-won approval!

Posted by Real Estate Virtual Assistant & North San Diego County Real Estate Agent (Christine Wade) almost 2 years ago

Based on this story and many others like it why do they call them SHORT SALES???

Posted by Scott Guay Associate Broker Ocean City and Ocean Pines MD (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage) almost 2 years ago

Wow, Bryant - that's some story and now I'm worried!  I have a listing that is a short sale.  My seller has two loans, both with BOA... I am expecting an offer (or two) to come out of all the showings we had this weekend... how do I make it happen??

Posted by Jennifer Blanchard (Weichert, Realtors) almost 2 years ago

That is some story, a positive outcome but nonetheless I'm sure it feels somewhat bittersweet at this point. 

Posted by Morgan Evans-New York City Real Estate Expert (Prudential Douglas Elliman) almost 2 years ago

Your comment about having to deal with 3 entities in your response to one of the replies made their (BOA) delays a little more palatable.  Good job!  Most agents would have given up.

Jerry

Posted by Jerry Morse, BBA,CRS,GRI (The Morse Company) almost 2 years ago

I've been working on a short sale with Bank of America and so far it has not been that much different than others I have done.  Last contact said a negotiator was assigned and that he had 10 days to respond.  That means by Tuesday I should have my answer.  If not I'll re-post.

Posted by Bean & Dunn Real Estate almost 2 years ago

I suggest you stop keeping notes. Perhaps that would leave some uncertainy as to how long it has been and how pissed off you should be?? Were ALL pissed off. I pray every night to make BofA go away! May I borrow your email and the names you sent it too! I have also the deal since Oct, have been passed from one place to another and  I'm on their "new" system now holding my breath with 3rd buyer! Same old same old.......load,fax,email docs hold breath for 32nd request of 1 doc that was short........hold breath.......33rd request......I think we need to use shot gun method for better results!

Posted by Sherry Chastain Realtor, Selling Homes Lake Properties,Luxury Homes,Short Sales (Hendersonville, Nashville, Old Hickory, Lebanon Tennessee) almost 2 years ago

I will be starting my first short sale with BoA. I had shied away until they started using Equator. Hopefully with Equator it will be an easier process. It's good to hear things are working out with yours. 

Posted by Julie A. Black CRS, GRI, Realtor (KAUAI DREAMS REALTY, Kauai Foreclosure & REO Specialist) almost 2 years ago

Tutas,
good for you, but there are many files sitting there and they they sent to foreclosure with no cause, even when you the extra scalations. :)

 

Posted by Aurora, CO Homes for Sale in Aurora, Colorado - Ray Saenz (United Property Brokers, Inc) almost 2 years ago

Bryant - The last B of A short sale that we closed took ELEVEN months to get done.  They are ridiculously bad.

Posted by Jason Crouch, Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653) (Austin Texas Homes, LLC) almost 2 years ago

Good for you Bryant!!  Four Buyers takes the cake though!!  I've got one that is on the third Buyer!!  Great e-mail and I'm glad to see that you got some attention and are getting the deal done.

Posted by Sergio Rebollo Jr. (Real Estate TeamMates) almost 2 years ago

Fourth buyer!  Unbelievable ...   My short sale with them took about 3 months, more or less.  I am glad that you are headed to closing.

Posted by Dinah Stallworth (Realty USA, Inc.) almost 2 years ago

BB,

I agree with some other commenters. We practically very rare close with the same buyer. We usually not always close with the second buyer. We usually close with the third buyer.

Posted by Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL. FunCoast Realty, 386-405-4408 almost 2 years ago

Great example the role of MI plays on a short sale. . .my grandmother always said.. .

baby that doesn't cry. . don't get milk!

Posted by Fernando Herboso Broker: Check All www.ReallyNiceHomes.com in MD & VA (Herboso & Associates LLC- Broker 240.426.5754) almost 2 years ago

Bryant, While all the other points made in your letter to BA are sage, I think this one is the clincher.

I am the co-owner and founder of a network of Short Sale agents throughout the country called www.ShortSaleSuperStars.com  From what I have read on our site, agents and consumers everywhere are pissed off with your complete incompetence. But that's an issue for a media interview and has nothing to do with this email.

Good work. I'm copying your letter for future dealings with A, B or C bank!

Posted by Judy Chapman (Koenig & Strey Real Living) almost 2 years ago

Hi all. Great comments. Thanks for relating your experiences as well.

Regina, 2 of the buyers WERE investors. In my market investors place multiple properties under contract and then just close on the few that get approved first. When we get an approval and ask them if they are ready to close they do the ole" "sorry we closed on another property" routine.

Buyers walk all the time. Or they can't get financing. It's frustrating to say the least.

Thanks everyone for stopping by and participating.

 

 

Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc almost 2 years ago

Shame on BofA for such terrible service.  I complained a month ago and kept calling back until I was able to talk directly with a supervisor, explaining my seller was stationed in Iraq.  Within 4 days I had bank approval.  It should not take an act of Congress to get them to respond.  Congratulations on being so persistant.

Posted by Kay Van Kampen–Springfield, Ozark, Nixa Greene County Missouri Real Estate Agent (RE/MAX Broker, RE/MAX Solutions) almost 2 years ago

Congrats-- Persistency is what I found to be the key on my short sale.  Mine was with Wells.  If I did not follow-up on the follow-up of the follow-up-- the property would have been foreclosed on and we would have never completed the short sale.

Posted by Mentone Cabins Realty, LLC almost 2 years ago

I AM NOT A SHORT SALE EXPERT!

I am an expert at sending stinging e-mails up the corporate foodchain to get attention and solve a problem.  Fortunately I don't have to do it often.  But let's just say that before "Bank"Mac blew up officially, the unemployment rate went up just a little.

Posted by Jenna Dixon, Assoc Broker, NW Metro Atlanta (DRA Homes (Atlanta, GA)) almost 2 years ago

I think BofA's transition to the equator system has been fairly rocky.  We went through similar on a couple of BofA short sales that were in process, the process came to a grinding halt, then during one of our weekly calls, we were informed to switch into Equtor.  Two and a half more months and another buyer later, we slated to close week after next.  Persistence is key in being successful with these files.

Posted by Jonathan Osman (Charlotte House Hunter Group) (Keller Williams Realty) almost 2 years ago

BOA is one of the mega banks that really needs to be broken up into a bunch of smaller banks.  Kind of like what happened to AT&T back in the '80s.  The government has allowed them to get way too big for their britches.  I know several high producers that won't touch a short sale involving BOA or Wells Fargo.  Too much work for too little pay.  

Posted by Rob Arnold, metro Orlando full service, investor friendly & foreclosure Realtor (Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc.) almost 2 years ago

Great job! I think (as someone else commented) that the threat of a media interview was enough to get their attention. Good luck on the closing.

Posted by Kathie Burby, REALTOR®, SFR Tuolumne County Real Estate Guide (Real Living Sugar Pine Realty) almost 2 years ago

I'm currently representing a buyer in a BoA short sale transaction and that bank is a nightmare. They are asking the buyer to to pay more than is actually owed on the first and more than what the appraisal came in at.  I fear this is going to fall apart unless someone at the bank gets a clue. Perhaps it's time for a nicely written email like yours!

Posted by Jenny Durling- Search Silver Lake homes for sale. Los Feliz, Eagle Rock, L.A. CA (L.A. Property Solutions) almost 2 years ago

Bank of America has to be the worst when working on a short sale. 3 Months and counting here.

Posted by Richard Lecinski (Long Realty Company) almost 2 years ago

Bank of America has to be the worst when working on a short sale. 3 Months and counting here.

Posted by Richard Lecinski (Long Realty Company) almost 2 years ago

Bank of America has to be the worst when working on a short sale. 3 Months and counting here.

Posted by Richard Lecinski (Long Realty Company) almost 2 years ago

Why does it take such a pissed off detailed letter to make someone sit up and take notice over at Bank of Un-America????

Posted by Erica Ramus - Ramus Realty Group - Pottsville, PA almost 2 years ago

Bank of America got their bailout money.  Why should they care about helping anyone out now?  I have had the same experience with them.

Posted by Morris Massre, Broward County Florida Realtor (Fortune International Realty) almost 2 years ago

Bryant - Woo hoo !!!!  Awesome !!  We have a couple going on for a long long time with BAC as well.  One we are on our 3rd buyer and get similar BS.  Is very frustrating.  Looks like I need to spend more time on shortsalesuperstars !!!

Posted by Christopher and Stephanie Somers - Realtors - Philadelphia Real Estate (Realtor / Owner - RE/MAX Access) almost 2 years ago

Bryant, congrats on your tenacity (not surprised) and adding a BofA senior negotiator to your arsenal. We just closed a BofA file last week, second buyer, 3 liens and the 3rd was the hold up but we called our Congressman and played the OCC card and got high up in the 3rd lienholder's offices to make it work.

Posted by Frank & Sharon Alters, CDPE-Short Sales Jacksonville-Orange Park-Fleming Island (Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - Clay, Duval, St. Johns ) almost 2 years ago

Bryant, TLW is lucky to have you, isn't she?!  Way to go in never giving up as that's what it takes in a Short Sale, particularly with BOA. 

Posted by Lynn Pineda-Coral Springs REALTOR® Coral Springs Florida Homes For Sale (Keller Williams Partners Realty) almost 2 years ago

Everything I hear about BOA is that they are a nightmare to work with.  When a buyer is interested in a short sale with a mortgage with BOA - I cringe.  I haven't had to deal with short sales, but I will be signing up for training.  It sounds like what you have to offer is far more comprehensive than the standard courses out there.

Posted by Ruthmarie Hicks (Keller Williams Realty - White Plains NY) almost 2 years ago

I love how you ended the email by asking how you can help them do their jobs. LOL Kill em with kindness...sort of. It's funny how when you light the fire under someone's butt things start getting done.

Posted by Nathan Tutas (Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) almost 2 years ago

There are many agents who will do everything possible to talk their buyers out of using B of A, because of all the pain they have caused their sellers and themselves with the short sales.  I guess they are so big they can afford to lose a few hundred thousand real estate agents.

Posted by Randy L. Prothero - Hawaii REALTOR® (808) 384-5645 (Century 21 Liberty Homes ) almost 2 years ago

Oh, so you have had some issues with Bank of America?  Welcome to the club.  I guess it's just their normal mode of operation.  To say the least, I am not very happy with them, although my sale did finally go through.

Posted by Troy Erickson - Your Chandler, Gilbert, Queen Creek Realtor (Terra Solis Realty, LLC) almost 2 years ago

I have sat here and read through all of these messgaes and I am at a loss for words. I currently work as a supervisor in the short sale depart for BofA. And YES I hat my job. I hate having to get on the phone with these h/o-ers and agents and explain to them that I do not have the authority to submit a say day postpoment for a forclosure or that I have no more contact with their neg. then thy do. My first week of this job had me in tears listening to a home being sold in the background, while the home owner and her children where crying, and I was on the phone with the attorey's office try to get the sale stop. It is hard and some days I leave out that builder in the worst mood. EVERY DAY I attempt to maake some sort of contact with corprate to get some answers from someone. But just like the rest of you, my questions and calls go unanswered.

Posted by Cheryl Jones almost 2 years ago

Cheryl, You have a very difficult job and I truly don't know how you do it. I really appreciate you stopping by and being so open with your thoughts. Thank you.

Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc almost 2 years ago

What a crazy experience. Good for you, and your buyers, for sticking it out. Thankfully you were able to get through to the bank, and hopefully they learned a lesson.

 

Thank you for sharing,

 

Anna

Posted by Anna Swihart (Long and Foster) almost 2 years ago

I have one right now and am playing the waiting game.  My buyer is getting very antsie....would like to first-time tax credit and we are pretty much out of time.  Its only been 3 months....judging by this post, I guess it may take a while longer. This is very frustrating for all in volved in the real estate transaction...especially the buyer.

Posted by Susan Zanzonico - Sellers/Buyers Agent Morristown NJ Real Estate (RE/MAX Properties Unlimited) almost 2 years ago

 

While B of A used to take forever to process Short Sales, and still take a healthy length of time these days, they are getting infinitely better since Matt Vernon came on the scene early this year.  

 

Posted by Tony Marriott, Associate Broker, REALTOR® (Haven Express @ Keller Williams Realty Professional Partners) over 1 year ago

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